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  Who Are Your Past Circuit Overseers? It's a small world..

  by mentallyfree31 in

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  2. beliefs

  who were your past circuit overseers?

  i'm sure a lot of us actually know mutual people, as the co's relocate all over the country.. here's a few from the southeast us: (let me know if you recognize any names and post yours too please...).

  ellwood johnson (new york/philadelphia area for several years also).

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  Sea Breeze

  When I was a kid in the 1960's, we had a CO named Bro. Dull. No kidding.
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  Did Russell Believe that Jesus Appointed Him as Sole Ruler?

  by Sea Breeze in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  not according to this book: .

  from this it is clearly seen that the editor and publisher of zion’s watch tower disavowed any claim to being individually, in his person, that “faithful and wise servant.” he never did claim to be such,” (“god’s kingdom of a thousand years has approached,” 1973, p. 346).. .

  but, this contradicts watchtower december 1, 1919, p. 357 where the watchtower states russell did in fact claim to be the faithful and discreet slave.

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  @Person,

  And according to the investigative reporter Mr. Ellis who was a contemporary of Russell, acknowledging Russell as named in scripture as the global leader of Christianity was a "test of fellowship". That is very significant.

  After that, the F&DS was said to be the 144K which included the Governing Body.

  Most recently, the F&DS is said to be ONLY the Governing Body.

  F&DS Identity: Russell > Organization > 144K > Only 8 Men (GB)

  List of Changes on F&DS
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  Did Russell Believe that Jesus Appointed Him as Sole Ruler?

  by Sea Breeze in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  not according to this book: .

  from this it is clearly seen that the editor and publisher of zion’s watch tower disavowed any claim to being individually, in his person, that “faithful and wise servant.” he never did claim to be such,” (“god’s kingdom of a thousand years has approached,” 1973, p. 346).. .

  but, this contradicts watchtower december 1, 1919, p. 357 where the watchtower states russell did in fact claim to be the faithful and discreet slave.

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  @Person

  Here's a few more similar quotes from letusreason.org. This list references 1916 WT instead of the 1919 WT for the quote you are inquiring about.

  
  

  “Fulfilled prophecy-or physical facts-and the circumstantial evidence are conclusive proof that Russell filled the office of that faithful and wise servant” (Watchtower 3/1/1922, p. 74)

  “the Watch Tower unhesitatingly proclaims brother Russell as the faithful and wise servant.” (Watchtower 3/1/1917 p.6049)

  When Russell died, the Watchtower claimed: “Thousands of the readers of Pastor Russell's writings believe that he filled the office of that faithful and wise servant, . . . His modesty and humility precluded him from openly claiming this title, but he admitted as much in private conversation.” (Watchtower, December 1, 1916, p. 357.)

  The Christ figure - F&DS was applied to the organization and not Russell from 1927 onward.
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  Did Russell Believe that Jesus Appointed Him as Sole Ruler?

  by Sea Breeze in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  not according to this book: .

  from this it is clearly seen that the editor and publisher of zion’s watch tower disavowed any claim to being individually, in his person, that “faithful and wise servant.” he never did claim to be such,” (“god’s kingdom of a thousand years has approached,” 1973, p. 346).. .

  but, this contradicts watchtower december 1, 1919, p. 357 where the watchtower states russell did in fact claim to be the faithful and discreet slave.

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  Not according to this book:

  From this it is clearly seen that the editor and publisher of Zion’s Watch Tower disavowed any claim to being individually, in his person, that “faithful and wise servant.” He never did claim to be such,” (“God’s Kingdom of a Thousand Years Has Approached,” 1973, p. 346).

  
  

  But, this contradicts Watchtower December 1, 1919, p. 357 where the watchtower states Russell did in fact claim to be the Faithful and Discreet slave. “Thousands of the readers of Pastor Russell’s writings believe that he filled the office of ‘that faithful and wise servant,’ and that his great work was giving to the household of faith meat in due season. His modesty and humility precluded him from openly claiming this title, but he admitted as much in private conversation,” (Watchtower, Dec. 1, 1919, p. 357).

  Russell called himself "God's mouthpiece" (WT 1906 July 15 p. 229) and stated that if didn't speak ... the stones would cry out.

  Recognizing Russell as someone who inherited all of Christs belongings was an early test of fellowship according to investigative reporter Mr. Ellis :

  "The acceptance of Russell as 'that servant' was made a test of fellowship among his followers, we are told, by the written statement of some who had been of that number, but who subsequently joined the large procession that is steadily falling away from 'Pastor' Russell.

  This fact gives point to such statements as the following from a 'souvenir' of one of Russell's convention trips, in- dorsed by a fac-simile of his signature: 'If any oppose the Lord by opposing the Channel (i. e., The Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society) and the Servant (i. e., Russell) the Lord has delegated to do his work, to that extent he loses the favor, the Spirit of the Lord; light becomes darkness, and he is soon outside.' - All About Russell, Cook pg. 13
  
  Looks like Russell saw himself as some sort of Pope or Christ Substitute and this belief was some sort of "test of fellowship" FROM EARLY ON. This is a very different portrait than how he was described to me when I was growing up as a 4th gen JW.

  Of course JW's still have this virtually identical "test of fellowship" don't they?
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  My last letter to the Elders

  by gavindlt in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  dear leamington spa and warwick elders.

  i wanted to thank you for your letter that has set me free.

  you have finally confirmed to me how ignorant you are as an elder body.. you should all be ashamed of yourselves as elders.. .

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  Sea Breeze

  How long were you in?
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  The Jehovah`s Witness religion.

  by smiddy3 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  the jehovah`s witness religion will not end with a bang but a whimper .. respect & courtesy t.s.elliot.

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  I agree. Here is encouraging data that illustrates the closing rate of bible studies progressing to baptism.
  
  The rate is less than half of what it was 20 years ago.

  https://www.reddit.com/r/exjw/comments/13vjyty/analysis_of_annual_reports_20002022/?utm_name=ioscss
  
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  Elder Arrested For Decades Long Abuse

  by Sea Breeze in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  not sure if this has already been posted:.

  https://kdvr.com/news/affidavit-religious-elder-abused-raped-children-for-decades/ .

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  Sea Breeze

  After further research, this link says there wasn't enough evidence at the time of the arrest but that :

  Despite this, the investigation into the child sex assault claims remains active according to the Teller County Sheriff’s Office.
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  Elder Arrested For Decades Long Abuse

  by Sea Breeze in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  not sure if this has already been posted:.

  https://kdvr.com/news/affidavit-religious-elder-abused-raped-children-for-decades/ .

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  Sea Breeze

  Not sure if this has already been posted:

  
  
  https://kdvr.com/news/affidavit-religious-elder-abused-raped-children-for-decades/
  
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  UK Kingdom Halls for sale

  by darkspilver in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  " and a mighty cry went out over all the land: "sell !

  sell !

  sell !

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  Sea Breeze

  The Watchtower sold this KH to Baptists. Money talks.

  https://www.newstribune.com/news/2018/jul/24/spanish-speaking-baptist-congregation-buys-new-hom/
  
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  Is 1914 still a major belief in JW land ? Or has it been abandoned ?

  by smiddy3 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i just wonder about this topic as it is now 109 years since that date and what was expected to take place has never happened ..

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  @Nathan,

  Name any religion that advertises that they are NOT the true religion.

  I have attended dozens of churches over the past 20 years and never even remotely heard that any of them thought they are the one true religion.

  Only cults claim this.
  
  However I would like to take this opportunity to announce that I personally have founded the one true counter-cult ministry.

  @Fisherman

  JW teach that the wt is part of the Messianic kingdom

  They claim more than that. They teach that they are the visible part of the kingdom of God on earth, same at the Roman Catholic Church:

  Catholic Catechism # 882 The Pope, Bishop of Rome and Peter's successor, "is the perpetual and visible source and foundation of the unity both of the bishops and of the whole company of the faithful. For the Roman Pontiff, by reason of his office as Vicar of Christ, and as pastor of the entire Church has full, supreme, and universal power over the whole Church, a power which he can always exercise unhindered."